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Week Of June 15th
Started June 8, 2009 @ 12:22pm by jangiefan
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| June 19, 2009 @ 9:23pm | VB,
Good storyline! But one question,how does Angie factor
into your version of the story? Pratt says that BOTH
A/J will factor into this story.
And Meredith,
I see your point about Jesse needing to be fair,but you
have to remember BE wrote Jesse more honorable and fair-
minded than Pratt has/is writing Jesse. BE wrote the
storyline involving Cass. It wasn't that great,but at
least Jesse looked better as a COP. He was a more sym-
pathetic character than Cass was. After a while,people
couldn't wait for her whiny behind to leave and go back
to Paris. tu)
The point is,the writing was very different,for the Hub-
bards,when Cass was around,and,especially,for Jesse.
So,if he doesn't act like you think he or a sane,normal
COP acts,don't blame him,blame Pratt. You know Pratt,
the guy who doesn't care about character development,only
getting the show "in the can",so to speak.  |
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80sfan
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| June 20, 2009 @ 9:00am | Okay let me throw another scenario in there for you ladies. I love what everyone has come up with, and cant wait to watch this play out.
After hitting North, yes I agree Randi doesn’t kill him, she runs and asks Natalia for help. (Pratt needs to get this girl a s/l QUICK ) Natalia goes back to the casino with Randi and wipes the statue clean after Randi tells her that North was a former lover and tried to force himself on her, and she was just defending herself. (not even telling Nat the whole truth for fear it would get back to Frankie)
I think we will find out that North and Randi were younger lovers when they were in foster care together. He got adopted and she didn’t, so they had to go their separate ways. After that kiss on the elevator what else could draw him in like that. 
Nat calls her Dad. Jesse being the ever ready COP (not all the time LOL) notices that something is not right with the crime scene. After questioning both girls they give him the story.
Now Natalia’s career as well as Randi’s marriage are on the line, that in itself would draw both Angie and Jesse in to help solve the murder. (that’s one scenario to get angie involved)
Another scenario to get Angie involvement would be that the medical report would come back showing 2 different blows to the head one fatal and the other was not, but who gave the DA the fatal blow. Jesse tells Angie about Randi, but not the full story. they set out to help prove Randi didnt kill North
The secret I believe Jesse will be forced to keep from Angie would be the whole truth sounding why Randi was at the Casio with the DA in the first place.
Whatever does or does not happen I'll be in front of my TV this summer watching AnJ! |
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Meredith
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| June 20, 2009 @ 10:21am |
Quote (middleone)
And Meredith,
I see your point about Jesse needing to be fair,but you
have to remember BE wrote Jesse more honorable and fair-
minded than Pratt has/is writing Jesse. BE wrote the
storyline involving Cass. It wasn't that great,but at
least Jesse looked better as a COP. He was a more sym-
pathetic character than Cass was. After a while,people
couldn't wait for her whiny behind to leave and go back
to Paris. tu)
The point is,the writing was very different,for the Hub-
bards,when Cass was around,and,especially,for Jesse.
So,if he doesn't act like you think he or a sane,normal
COP acts,don't blame him,blame Pratt. You know Pratt,
the guy who doesn't care about character development,only
getting the show "in the can",so to speak. |
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Pratt also wrote the 2nd family story and we didn't let Jesse off the hook with that. And even you said you have no respect for him nor Angie because of how that story went down. Likewise, I won't let Jesse off the hook if he covers up anything for Randi... it would have been wrong had he looked the other way/covered up for Cassandra and it is just as wrong if he looks the other way/covers up for Randi...
It doesn't matter how sympathetic Cassandra wasn't or how sympathetic Randi is... Jesse should be doing his job with an even and fair hand.
If Randi indeed kills the DA in self defense, Jesse can prove that... no need to cover up anything because that suggests that she is guilty and should go to jail.
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| June 20, 2009 @ 10:34am |
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Okay let me throw another scenario in there for you ladies. I love what everyone has come up with, and cant wait to watch this play out.
After hitting North, yes I agree Randi doesn’t kill him, she runs and asks Natalia for help. (Pratt needs to get this girl a s/l QUICK ) Natalia goes back to the casino with Randi and wipes the statue clean after Randi tells her that North was a former lover and tried to force himself on her, and she was just defending herself. (not even telling Nat the whole truth for fear it would get back to Frankie)
I think we will find out that North and Randi were younger lovers when they were in foster care together. He got adopted and she didn’t, so they had to go their separate ways. After that kiss on the elevator what else could draw him in like that.
Nat calls her Dad. Jesse being the ever ready COP (not all the time LOL) notices that something is not right with the crime scene. After questioning both girls they give him the story.
Now Natalia’s career as well as Randi’s marriage are on the line, that in itself would draw both Angie and Jesse in to help solve the murder. (that’s one scenario to get angie involved)
Another scenario to get Angie involvement would be that the medical report would come back showing 2 different blows to the head one fatal and the other was not, but who gave the DA the fatal blow. Jesse tells Angie about Randi, but not the full story. they set out to help prove Randi didnt kill North
The secret I believe Jesse will be forced to keep from Angie would be the whole truth sounding why Randi was at the Casio with the DA in the first place.
Whatever does or does not happen I'll be in front of my TV this summer watching AnJ! |
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You and me both. But after the scene she did with Cornelius at the loft, Denise better come with it. Show some kinda emotions. And I hope Natalia looses her badge for doing what she does in your scenario. Natalia is still a cadet rookie. She has no business at a crime scene alone. And if Randi is stupid enough to call Natalia then she should go down for this murder.
As for Jesse, I know some things he does is ridiculously stupid but I doubt he'll help cover up this murder or Randi's involvement. He'll more likely shield her from it, until the investigation, another of which will probably go unsolved, is over. As for Angie, of course she's gonna agree that she is fine with what Jesse did, keeping the secret and all. Which is the dumbest thing I've ever heard!
As for Cassandra, Jesse gave her and Dre and Colby every opportunity to tell the truth. He had the evidence in front of him, yet they continued to lie. So what was he supposed to do? He would have shielded her from that case had he been told the truth. Randi comes to Jesse. Cassandra didn't. And as much as I like Cassandra that was her fault for keeping up with that lie with her dumb ass boyfriend and even dumber friend!
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| June 20, 2009 @ 11:17pm | You're right,Meredith,I did say that I don't have any
respect for either Angie or Jesse. And,frankly,right
about now,I still don't. The point that I was trying to
make,was that,given the fact that there have been two
different sets of writers since A/J returned,one must
take into consideration that there are going to be two
different,if not very different,depictions of the char-
acters,and of the character of "Jesse",in particular,by
those writers. Especially if one of those writers,i.e.
Pratt,is a RACIST rectum who has no interest in writing
for A/J and feels that they are a waste of his time.
Or so I read on another message board.
Given that fact,if one set of writers,BE,appreciates
and respects the characters of A/J and another set of
writers doesn't,how is there going to be any continuity
of character and how they are presented to the world?
There almost can't be. Sure,Jesse should behave as impart-
ial and professional with Randi as he did with Cass,but
given the fact that PRATT is dead set on making Jesse,not
only a lame father(to Frankie,at least. He wasn't great
to Nat,once she came to PV,but he still raised her and was,
presumably a good and better father to her than he ever
was to Frankie)but also an incompetent COP,I don't forsee
PRATT allowing Jesse to be any more unbiased towards Randi
and,therefore,professional,than he has been,with anyone else
he's let off the hook. Because of Pratt's agenda,to de-
stroy J/A(and I really believe it's his agenda )Pratt
only allows Jesse to arrest and be "competent" at his job,
when it serves Pratt and the PLOT-driven story he's trying
to tell. And if it allows Pratt to promote his own person-
al feelings of hate and disrespect for women and people of
color. One minute Pratt has Jesse arresting his wife
(Jesse's seen as unbiased,lawabiding and competent,but at
the expense of his wife,a WOMAN. A BLACK WOMAN.)The next minute He(Jesse)is
letting Ryan punch a cop out so that Ryan can go find
Greenlee and they can end up together during the tornado,
(PLOT-DRIVEN story).In short,I blame Pratt/Frons for everything wrong with this show and J/A. |
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deltagirl98
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| umm hmmmm | June 20, 2009 @ 11:43pm |
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Given that fact,if one set of writers,BE,appreciates
and respects the characters of A/J and another set of
writers doesn't,how is there going to be any continuity
of character and how they are presented to the world? |
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This has been exactly my point since October! And I think that is why most fans especially fans from before let Jesse "off the hook" as it were. Another writer came in and re wrote everything with disregard for how they were brought back on the scene...so I personally couldn't hold it against him. The game started well with everyone knowing who was playing certain positions and with AnJ in the lead but somehow after half time, a whole new team came back to the floor and wiped AnJ all over it. That is how I see it.
Just based on what Pratt continues to give in the writing department we cannot expect any better from him, unless someone pulls rank and either has him fired or places some folks in there who know who to write CHARACTER driven stories and not plot based junk hence folks always dying, or switching partners every other day- so far that's all we have gotten in the way of s/l, aside from the new issue with Frankie and the whole baby thing with Amanda and even she is supposed to say the baby "died" on that one... so there we have it and can only hope somehow, someway it gets better and that someone with half a brain over there sees the show could be so much better if they were looking more into character development to drive their stories and not the other way around.
Soap fans watch for the characters they love and the ones they love to hate and how THEY drive the storyline, not the other way around (JMO). 
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deltagirl98
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| 80'!!!! | June 20, 2009 @ 11:48pm | Girl that is some good stuff you have there.... because poor Nat has been MIA since her mama died pretty much ( NO character development!!!!!!!) Even folks who were not into her and still really aren't, ARE NOT or have no reason to invest in her as a character because she HAS NOT BEEN DEVELOPED. She is never around. Pratt thought her up but once he killed her mama off, even he has no use for her!!!!!! Just an observation I got off on a tangent! LOL
But seriously 80s that would be a nice twist to the s/l since its been put out there.
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80sfan
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| June 21, 2009 @ 8:25am | Not sure which one you ladies said this months ago but it bares repeating. Every new character that the Ratt has brought to the show leaves. Why…because Plots don’t last as long as characters do. That’s like telling half a story. You can’t finish it because you got nothing else to say….pure Pratt
The Ratt continues to underestimate not only the AnJ fans but the AMC fan base. We survived how many writers? tu)
Hell I’ve been watching AMC since the 70’s ….leaving for years, yet always coming back. We will survive this too
IMO every character on that show is being assassinated by the writers NOT just AnJ. We cant blame the characters for the way they are being written, NO that blame lies at the feet of the writers and FRONS.
Okay...I'm off my morning rant...of to church to get a good word tu)
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Meredith
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| middleone | June 21, 2009 @ 12:53pm |
Quote (middleone)
You're right,Meredith,I did say that I don't have any
respect for either Angie or Jesse. And,frankly,right
about now,I still don't. The point that I was trying to
make,was that,given the fact that there have been two
different sets of writers since A/J returned,one must
take into consideration that there are going to be two
different,if not very different,depictions of the char-
acters,and of the character of "Jesse",in particular,by
those writers. Especially if one of those writers,i.e.
Pratt,is a RACIST rectum who has no interest in writing
for A/J and feels that they are a waste of his time.
Or so I read on another message board.
Given that fact,if one set of writers,BE,appreciates
and respects the characters of A/J and another set of
writers doesn't,how is there going to be any continuity
of character and how they are presented to the world?
There almost can't be. Sure,Jesse should behave as impart-
ial and professional with Randi as he did with Cass,but
given the fact that PRATT is dead set on making Jesse,not
only a lame father(to Frankie,at least. He wasn't great
to Nat,once she came to PV,but he still raised her and was,
presumably a good and better father to her than he ever
was to Frankie)but also an incompetent COP,I don't forsee
PRATT allowing Jesse to be any more unbiased towards Randi
and,therefore,professional,than he has been,with anyone else
he's let off the hook. Because of Pratt's agenda,to de-
stroy J/A(and I really believe it's his agenda )Pratt
only allows Jesse to arrest and be "competent" at his job,
when it serves Pratt and the PLOT-driven story he's trying
to tell. And if it allows Pratt to promote his own person-
al feelings of hate and disrespect for women and people of
color. One minute Pratt has Jesse arresting his wife
(Jesse's seen as unbiased,lawabiding and competent,but at
the expense of his wife,a WOMAN. A BLACK WOMAN.)The next minute He(Jesse)is
letting Ryan punch a cop out so that Ryan can go find
Greenlee and they can end up together during the tornado,
(PLOT-DRIVEN story).In short,I blame Pratt/Frons for everything wrong with this show and J/A. |
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I see where you are coming from and I agree...
However, if I am to overlook Jesse's "covering" for Randi, if that's what happens... because it's just a plot point and not the "real" Jesse, then how can I not overlook the 2nd family mess because that too was a plot point and not the "real" Jesse...
I wasn't driven to the point that you were where I disrespect Jesse and even Angie, but I have and will when the occasion arises, express my displeasure with the actions of both of them... likewise, I will express my displeasure if Jesse "covers" for Randi... something he should not be doing.
While I understand he may want to protect Randi because she is Frankie's wife, as he told Angie, he doesn't have the right to "look the other way"... this same Jesse, under Pratt didn't look the other way for Angie, his wife... why would he look the other way for Randi?
How distasteful will it be if Jesse refuses to arrest Randi if it appears she killed someone but he didn't refuse to arrest Angie when at the point of the arrest it was her word against David's... remember Angie at that point never said how she got those drugs and as far as we know, the only reason Angie was arrested was because David said Angie broke into his house.
And to make my position clear, I do not want Jesse breaking any laws either to clear Randi... I protested when he did it for his guilty wife... I will protect it if he does it for Randi.
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| June 21, 2009 @ 2:23pm | Point taken,Meredith. And I agree,Jesse shouldn't
cover for Randi,especially since he didn't cover for Angie
or Cass. But,like I said,if that's Pratt's sorry agenda,
I won't be surprised if it happens. Plus,I'm sure it
will happen so that Pratt can make Jesse look like a hyp-
ocrite on top of everything else he's made Jesse look
like i.e.bad father,cheating husband,liar. Remember
when Angie wanted to go to Germany and Jesse said it was
a bad idea and that they A/J should let Randi and Frankie
work on their problems together with no interference
from others,namely A/J? Well,if/when Jesse comes to
Randi's defense with her,potentially,killing DA North,he,
Jesse,will look like a colossal hypocrite. He'll
probably,make the excuse that it's his job and not him
being a busy body parent,but it will still be the same
thing as Angie wanting to help her son,and the viewers
will see it no differently,but because Pratt is determined
to skewer "Jesse" and tell the story he wants to tell,I
guarantee you,Jesse will come to Randi's defense and com-
pletely contradict himself and what he said to his wife.
On a different note,the reason,I suppose,that I'm not
inclined to give "Jesse" the benefit of the doubt,concern-
ing the 2nd family story is due to the fact that,for one,the
result of Jesse's betrayal,Nat, is still in the picture.
(Not that I,necessarily,want SK to be fired,she's a decent
enough actress)So it's hard to "forgive and forget" when
she's still there. And,two,if I'm honest,I wouldn't be
impressed with a black man like Jesse IRL who was with
someone like Rebecca,so why would I do so,in fiction?
And to be honest,further,if Rebecca were of color,any other
color,she could've been Eskimo,I would be inclined to let
it go and just say "whatever" re).
But Pratt made Rebecca caucasian,on purpose. It's because
he doesn't like A/J and,most likely,their portrayers,either,
and knew full well that their core fan base was black and
female. So he made Jesse's other woman a woman that he
knew would offend(presumably)that fan base,the most. Plus he had
Jesse stay with her 4xas long as he was with Angie. Pratt also
had Jesse disrespect their relationship by having him get
involved with his PSYCHIATRIST within months and spawn a
child!. On top of that no one says anthing about RACE,
which is TOTALLY unrealistic IMO and then Pratt has Angie
become mute,blow smoke up Jesse and his mistress' butt crack
and forgive Jesse in record time,with no effort on Jesse's
part,to rectify HIS MISTAKES. It's not enough that R and
N said that J was only partly there with them.
I know the 2nd family story was all Pratt/Frons doing and
not DW/DM's fault,but I'm still not happy. I think because
it was so racially motivated,by Pratt mostly,and because
race and issues surrounding race,are my passion and what
I know,exceedingly well. (If I can be so bold as to say
so.) :D |
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