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deltagirl98
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| July 1st- Wednesday | June 28, 2009 @ 12:36am |
Randi makes a threat against Henry!
Thursday July 2:
Will North cut a deal with Randi?
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Randi says she'll expose DA North's skeletons if he doesn't stop his harassment. soapzone.com
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| June 28, 2009 @ 12:28pm |
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Randi makes a threat against Henry!
Thursday July 2:
Will North cut a deal with Randi?
Soaps.com
Randi says she'll expose DA North's skeletons if he doesn't stop his harassment. soapzone.com |
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I say go for it Blandi! Expose that DA for the triflin' fool he is. That way all his wheelin' and dealin's are all out in the open. BUT be ware of the consequences of opening Pandora's Box! You may let out some things that you can't take back. UHH say like your connections to him?! Lest we forget the little daydream she had in her husband's very presence?? And you know Mammy Hubbard's gonna have something to say about that scandalous woman bringing all that drama into her son's life!!!
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| June 28, 2009 @ 1:33pm |
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I say go for it Blandi! Expose that DA for the triflin' fool he is. That way all his wheelin' and dealin's are all out in the open. |
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OK... so I am OK with DA... in fact I hate that they are killing him off... having said that, I still think I'm being impartial... or at least more impartial than CHIEF Hubbard...
Everyone is spouting about how horrible DA is and he doesn't care about the truth and all he wants is to railroad Kendal.
The other day when DA laid out all that was against Kendal, no one could argue with anything he said. Even Jesse, one of Kendal's chief protectors has said there is nothing new to point to someone else, that all the evidence STILL pointed to Kendal as the killer.
The DA hasn't manufactured evidence against Kendal... Jesse, her personal chief of police who's priorty is to protect Kendal, is the one who first off arrested her and second, has yet to come up with something to clear Kendal.
The DA is getting crucified for wanting Jesse to find more evidence against the suspect HE arrested. He is getting crucified for believing Kendal is guilty because the evidence, according to Jesse points to her... because, according to Jesse, there is nothing new to say otherwise.
Why should DA believe that Kendal, who Jesse arrested is innocent?
Now spoilers say that this coming week, Jesse will walk in on Kendal asking Tad to lie on the stand... will Jesse give that piece of information to his fellow civil servant? Will he inform the DA that innocent Kendal is asking a witness to LIE on the stand?
If this were David, I would bet he would not hesitate to pass that info on to DA but since it's Kendal and he wants to protect her, I'm not holding my breath that Jesse would do what he should... give the DA 1 more piece of evidence that could strengthen the case HE brought to the DA in the first place.
Yes, I like DA and wish he was staying because, at least right now, he isn't in the PV click and he is saying things that most of us have been complaining about... certain people never pay for their crimes and the PV police are lousy at their job.
DA, you'll be missed by this viewer...
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deltagirl98
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| Interesting | June 28, 2009 @ 5:58pm | Although I really could care less about Kendall (uggg)lol.... IMO I think Jesse is really looking into the murder more because it was Stuart. I dont think that He(Jesse) thinks Kendall did it and true enough the evidence points to her so that is about all that can be said for her.
However I do take issue with the manner in which the DA is going about demanding things be done. He is out to nail Kendall since the evidence points to her, but really he doesnt care about justice, he is just having tantrums and trying to throw his weight around in order to make a big name for himself. Granted I know DA's hardly have time to really search for truth and all that great jazz (someone has got to be mean other than the usuals- LOL) I dont think DAs make personl visits to the folks homes there are looking to build a case against the way he did with Kendall. I believe last week or so he paid the Slaters a visit. If he already has the evidence he thinks is sufficient to prosecute Kendall why keep pressing the issue if what he has all points to her and will nail her anyway? All he has to do is create reasonable doubt as Jesse stated and he could with all the forsenics they have, just simply her fingerprints on the gun would do that.
North's attitude sucks basically and you can be a good DA and get it done without being so smug and arrogant. Jesse's boss is the mayor not Henry North. JMO
Although I do think he should stay on I think he and sLiza would possibly make good frenemies (lol)! But on the other hand there are already plenty of villians in PV, David, Adam, sLiza, Zach when he wants to be, now crazy Annie too! lmbo
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| June 28, 2009 @ 7:31pm |
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However I do take issue with the manner in which the DA is going about demanding things be done. He is out to nail Kendall since the evidence points to her, but really he doesn't care about justice |
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And this is the problem that I have with the idea that DA doesn't care about justice because that is saying he knows/believes Kendal is innocent and yet he is still trying to prosecute her.
What has been shown on screen does not support this. Jesse himself said all the evidence still points to Kendal. Why shouldn't the DA believe Kendal is guilty if that is so and Jesse, who has gone on record saying he wants to "protect" Kendal has not brought ANY new evidence that would clear Kendal.
As I said in the previous post... WHY should the DA believe Kendal is innocent? He only has what Jesse brought to him... evidence that Jesse himself believes or at least at one time believed pointed to Kendal being guilty. Jesse HAS NOT brought ANYTHING to contradict the evidence HE initially presented to the DA... so again, WHY should the DA think Kendal is innocent?
At this point, there is plenty to support that DA honestly believes Kendal is guilty... and most of what supports the DA believing Kendal is guilty comes straight from Kendal's own man... Jesse Hubbard.
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he is just having tantrums and trying to throw his weight around in order to make a big name for himself. |
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Even this doesn't support the DA railroading Kendal. Jesse has proven that he doesn't jump and do what DA tells him... just Friday was it, he told Jesse he was not going to arrest Zach... even though Zach was guilty of discharging a firearm... we have evidence that Jesse is not allowing DA to dictate his every move, so it doesn't wash that DA is somehow hindering Jesse from finding evidence to clear Kendal or restricting him to only getting evidence against the suspect JESSE arrested.
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I dont think DAs make personl visits to the folks homes there are looking to build a case against the way he did with Kendall. I believe last week or so he paid the Slaters a visit... If he already has the evidence he thinks is sufficient to prosecute Kendall why keep pressing the issue if what he has all points to her and will nail her anyway? |
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He went there because Kendal called for the meeting because she and Zach were trying to run a game on him and his wife... he said he came thinking she was going to make a deal so that they wouldn't have to go to trial. Their meeting wasn't traditional I give you that but Kendal was the one to call for it.
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North's attitude sucks basically and you can be a good DA and get it done without being so smug and arrogant. Jesse's boss is the mayor not Henry North. JMO
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I agree with all of that... and to be honest, I don't see DA as being smug or arrogant... Jesse's own words give all the reason in the world for DA to go after Kendal... all the evidence points to her. He's obviously a sad man... as he told Randi all he has is his career... but I don't see his attitude as smug or arrogent... I see a broken man who didn't get over his hooker and sadly didn't move on from that.
As for smug, sadly I saw Jesse as being quite smug when he was dressing the DA down saying he was bent out of shape because Zach was all in his business, his personal life and wondered if DA was afraid of what Zach might find and told the DA to back off Zach otherwise his dirty laundry would be aired all over... this from the man who threatened to take Aiden's license away because Aiden was on to his dirty laundry and ready to air that... wonder how Jesse is going to be feeling once he finds out that his little DIL is a part of that dirty laundry... he won't be so smug then.
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Although I do think he should stay on I think he and sLiza would possibly make good frenemies (lol)! But on the other hand there are already plenty of villians in PV, David, Adam, sLiza, Zach when he wants to be, now crazy Annie too! lmbo |
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He doesn't have to be a villain... just because he hasn't sucked up to the "good" folks of PV doesn't make him a bad guy... as of yet, what has he done that could be described as bad or even illegal?
He wants to prosecute a case Jesse, the COP brought to him... a case that to this day still points to Kendal as being guilty... because of that, it's lost on me why his wanting to get evidence to strengthen the case he has, why wanting to prosecute Kendal makes him a bad guy.
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Last Edit: June 28, 2009 @ 7:37pm by Meredith | |
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| June 29, 2009 @ 9:18am | First of, Meredith.... I am soooo not liking the DA because number one I don't like the way he's insinuating himself around Frankie, like he doesn't even exist. Randi is wrong on her part for not stepping forward and telling her husband the truth about who he was to her. DA North is NOT getting the hint that she's ( Okay I'll go there just this once!! BUT DON"T PUSH IT!) happily married. Uh, did he not forget that HE"S also married?!
I think DA is going to use his position to lure Randi to that room and for her, she's going to feel that the only way to get him out of her life is to do it forcefully. As for Jesse covering for her and not Cass... I'll defend Jesse once again. Cass was given the opportunity to tell him and her mother the truth. Jesse went to her with evidence, she still lied. Her behavior before he even got the evidence was suspect. Randi, (SOMEBODY SHOOT ME!) goes to Jesse.
BUT and there is always that big ole three letter word, If Jesse covers for her as in breaks the law like squander evidence, lies to protect her, or suddenly misplaces evidence, then I'll say SHAME ON YOU JESSE! Im a law abiding citizen (although there was that one time!) I don't want to see innocent (Not in the least bit Randi!) people go down for something they didn't do.
HOWEVER! Randi is an adult name. Welcome to it Randi! She needs to step up to the plate and tell her husband what is going on. Things are only going to get worse for Franklin Q Hubbard's Princess (or in this case Queen of the night! Sorry I just had to go there! BAD GIRL!!) How would she feel if the shoe were on the other foot?
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| June 29, 2009 @ 9:34am | My .02 we all know that the DA is being written out. i guess this is pRatt's way of making the fans hate him because he is going after the golden girl Kendull.
I don't care for this whole s/l, like much that pRatt has written in the last year, it's not believable. Just tell us who shot Stuart and move on. I don't think pRatt has a clue where he is going (Adam/Annie, Erica/Ryan, Tad/Taylor) everything is occuring off screen and the viewers are let to interpet in their own way. Not to say I wan predictable but give me something I can follow. What happen to the days when you could me a week and come back and know who was who and what the plot was. Now it changes from day to day. See I am off on a tangent.
DA North is just doing his job. The COP presented enough evidence for a trial to be held. It is up to Kendull's defense team to find evidence to discredit the police evidence. Also does her attorney know she met with the DA? I am sure he would have strongly advised against it. There are too many citizens trying to tell the COP how to do his job. Just because you have money and power does not mean you are above the law.
So if this means arresting Zach for discharging his weapon do it. Let him go to court, plead guilty and pay his fine. ya'll know he won't do any jail time but at least it would be realistic. I am sure if Angie or David had discharged a weapon the COP would be all over them.
Off my soap box. It is too early in the day to be caught up in pRatt's foolishness. 
My great hope is to laugh as much as I cry; to get my work done and try to love somebody and have the courage to accept the love in return.
-- Maya Angelou
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deltagirl98
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| hmmmm | June 29, 2009 @ 9:57am | I hear you on all of that, I still think his attitude sucks, whether or not his heart was broken doesnt him cause to be a jerk and I think he is. By no means should anyone just suck up to the "good" people of PV ( and not doing that doesn't make a character a villian, but in my eyes he will be a villian especially if he pursues and persists after Randi after she has made it clear it's not going down ( on that note if North does do that, I would rather her just tell Frankie... but then that would ruin the whole secret s/l... sucks I know.. but they have to have drama somewhere or there will be no Hubbards anywhere on screen! LOL)
I see your point about justice and yes Jesse did give the information he had on Kendall to him but that was going to be unavoidable seeing as how he cannot withhold that kind of evidence in a murder case. Yes all of the evidence points to Kendall and I am saying she isnt guilty or North doesn't have cause to believe she is guilty. I just dont see North's motive as being truly to find justice in the matter, in my eyes it is clear that he wants to win this because of who she is and this would naturally help him make a bigger name for himself, as it was stated "all he has is his career". She is Kenadll Hart Slater (daughter of Erica Kane, yada, yada so a conviction here would really give his career a boost). His attitude and his actions toward Kendall whether he thinks she is guilty or not ( I guess I was thinking about the scene at the hospital in which North made it his business to be mean to them, by making the smart remark about Ian not having his mother, but that Zach would take care of him (paraphrased) that was not necessary- hence smug and arrogant. He makes the assumption that he will win the case. That will be determined by a jury of her peers. IMO if he thought Kendall was ready to make a deal he should not have met at her house, that should have been done in the appropriate place just to cover himself and make sure it was done the right way. When he realized she did not have a lawyer present and where the convo was headed he should have bounced and quickly.
As for Jesse being smug I have to defend his remarks on that one, it was just a reminder to North that everyone has a past and skeletons that they would not rather have falling out of the closet someone else opened. North needed to hear that IMO, he can get the evidence to build to his case without going out of his way to be a jerk, which he has been toward Jesse and Kendall ( and I dont even like her (LOL) if she appears to be guilty and he thinks he has it in the bag no need to be smug)!!!!!
In regard to Randi everyone already knows Randi's past and I am sure it will shock Jesse (re: regarding the depth of the relationship with North) and although my man Jesse has made plenty of errors in the past (according to the Ratt anyway), that one is not his, its Randi's. As well North need be careful even in playing with that fact, because it will only raise questions about him. So I think he will tread carefully because it would look awfully bad for a DA who is out to protect and serve and uphold law be found to have had a past with a hooker....just syaing that is what it will come off as being in his case.
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| June 29, 2009 @ 12:46pm | Mer ~
Can I say I love you? (LOL) You hit every point w/ re: to the DA. You said everything, I have nothing to add. tu) |
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| June 29, 2009 @ 3:17pm |
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First of, Meredith.... I am soooo not liking the DA because number one I don't like the way he's insinuating himself around Frankie, like he doesn't even exist. Randi is wrong on her part for not stepping forward and telling her husband the truth about who he was to her. DA North is NOT getting the hint that she's ( Okay I'll go there just this once!! BUT DON"T PUSH IT!) happily married. Uh, did he not forget that HE"S also married?! |
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I undertand not liking the DA on a personal level but as far as Kendal goes, we have yet been given any reason ON SCREEN to say he is trying to railroad her ie convict her even though he KNOWS she is innocent... that is the only point I am making.
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I think DA is going to use his position to lure Randi to that room and for her, she's going to feel that the only way to get him out of her life is to do it forcefully |
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This would not even be an issue if she would do what we chided Jesse for not doing... BE HONEST and UPFRONT!! If he has something over her legally, then that's the time to go to Jesse and ask for his LEGAL help and that's the time to come clean to Frankie... again, as Jesse should have done with Angie and Frankie.
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As for Jesse covering for her and not Cass... I'll defend Jesse once again. Cass was given the opportunity to tell him and her mother the truth. Jesse went to her with evidence, she still lied. Her behavior before he even got the evidence was suspect. Randi, (SOMEBODY SHOOT ME!) goes to Jesse. |
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We don't know yet how Jesse finds out but even if Randi comes to him, that still gives Jesse no right to cover up a crime. What he should do is tell her to get legal counsel immediately and then start investigating... as he told Angie, he doesn't have the right to "look the other way"... what happened to that? Why is it OK for him to look the other way now?
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BUT and there is always that big ole three letter word, If Jesse covers for her as in breaks the law like squander evidence, lies to protect her, or suddenly misplaces evidence, then I'll say SHAME ON YOU JESSE! Im a law abiding citizen (although there was that one time!) I don't want to see innocent (Not in the least bit Randi!) people go down for something they didn't do. |
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According to the spoilers from SoapNet ([posted in the General thread) Jesse, and I quote... What we can tell you is that Jesse -- believing his daughter-in-law committed murder (of a public official, natch) -- helps cover up the crime.
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| June 29, 2009 @ 3:37pm |
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I hear you on all of that, I still think his attitude sucks, whether or not his heart was broken doesnt him cause to be a jerk and I think he is. |
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I agree that it doesn't give him the right... the same hold true for Randi but she got passes because she was a wounded soul...
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I just dont see North's motive as being truly to find justice in the matter, in my eyes it is clear that he wants to win this because of who she is and this would naturally help him make a bigger name for himself, as it was stated "all he has is his career". She is Kenadll Hart Slater (daughter of Erica Kane, yada, yada so a conviction here would really give his career a boost). |
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I don't argue that his part of his motive may be because Kendal is a "big" name... what I am stressing is that he isn't doing anything illegal, like good ole Jesse will be doing shortly, to hinder justice.
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As for Jesse being smug I have to defend his remarks on that one, it was just a reminder to North that everyone has a past and skeletons that they would not rather have falling out of the closet someone else opened. North needed to hear that IMO, he can get the evidence to build to his case without going out of his way to be a jerk, which he has been toward Jesse and Kendall ( and I dont even like her (LOL) if she appears to be guilty and he thinks he has it in the bag no need to be smug) |
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Jesse was all but condoning Zach's threat to the DA... back off my wife or I will expose you if I get dirt on you... Jesse was not looking out for the well being of the DA... he was supporting the notion that the DA needs to back it up or else... and again, this from a man who threatened to take Aiden's license, not because he had done something illegal but because JESSE didn't like what Aiden was about to find out. That is why I saw Jesse as being smug... he was almost gleeful at letting the DA know that his dirty laundry could be exposed if he didn't step in line with the Slaters when he himself was in a very similiar position.
Wonder what Jesse would say if the DA told Zach he was going to take away his casino license if Zach didn't stay out of his personal business. He would be doing EXACTLY what Jesse did to Aidan and yet I'm sure he'd be all in the DA's face about it.
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my man Jesse has made plenty of errors in the past (according to the Ratt anyway), that one is not his, its Randi's |
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His error will be covering up what he believes is murder by his DIL
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North need be careful even in playing with that fact, because it will only raise questions about him. So I think he will tread carefully because it would look awfully bad for a DA who is out to protect and serve and uphold law be found to have had a past with a hooker... |
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I agree with this and I apply the SAME standard to Jesse... HE is suppose to protect and serve and uphold law yet he has and will continue to violate the oath he took.
Also, why is it so bad that the DA had a past with a hooker, one he wanted to marry, yet it's perfectly ok for Doctor Frankie to have a past with one and actually marry her? I was put off hearing Randi say she left DA because she would ruin his life, yet it's OK for Frankie to hook up with her.
Maybe it's that everything has come to a head, but this act of Jesse's is very distressing to me because my emotions seem to be shifting in regards to him and I hate that.
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| Well | June 29, 2009 @ 5:27pm | In light of the new spoliers I will have to agree with you on some that. In regard to Frankie and Randi, him being with her and her being with him was their CHOICE, he loved her and she loved him, I would think that whatever Henry was offering wasn't strong enough to allow her to leave or I am assuming fearing for her life if I assume Flecther was her then pimp.
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Meredith---Also, why is it so bad that the DA had a past with a hooker, one he wanted to marry, yet it's perfectly ok for Doctor Frankie to have a past with one and actually marry her? I was put off hearing Randi say she left DA because she would ruin his life, yet it's OK for Frankie to hook up with her. |
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It was not stated that it was bad, just that that would be the perception of him if people find out. If he loved Randi he did, but in his line of work it does make a difference whether we think it should or not. Although a professional, Frankie is a medical doctor so on that front he is not upheld to the same standard at least not in the legal/polictical arena in the area of his personal life choices of whom he has relationships with, which are often scrutinized and picked over with a fine tooth comb when you are a public servant with an office like North's. That is my point with that.
I dont think Jesse should cover up what he thinks is Randi murdering anybody now that we know that is what is going to happen, that is wrong can't be denied.
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Meredith---I agree that it doesn't give him the right... the same hold true for Randi but she got passes because she was a wounded soul... |
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I thought Randi was a meanie when she first came on as well, but after hearing her story I did understand why she was behaving the way she was, and yes Henry said she broke his heart but IMO having someone dump you in comparison to being thrown around as a kid with no stable home and thinking your only way out was to sell your body, just doesnt have the same effect, at least not for me, that is not to negate his hurt at all the man has feelings too, however IMO thats apples and oranges, now unless he changes his attitude than that's just how I feel about ole Henry.
And you are right Meredith everything has come to head with Jesse's characterization and clearly Pratt is getting what he wanted in changing the perception of my man Jesse. It is unfortunate and I hate that long time fans are slowly but surely developing such dislike for someone who has never been perfect, but was at least likeable despite how he goofed up in the 80's into someone no one recognizes. It's just sad... I guess in regard to Jesse, I am one of those people who looks at the intent and/or motive behind the actions of a person, he has a good heart and intentions, doesnt make the best of decisions all the time, but he has a good heart in wanting to protect people and at least try to do right..JMO
Alas it is what it is with ole Chuck handling plots instead of building around characters....sighing still 
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| June 29, 2009 @ 7:15pm |
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Although I really could care less about Kendall (uggg)lol.... IMO I think Jesse is really looking into the murder more because it was Stuart. I dont think that He(Jesse) thinks Kendall did it and true enough the evidence points to her so that is about all that can be said for her.
However I do take issue with the manner in which the DA is going about demanding things be done. He is out to nail Kendall since the evidence points to her, but really he doesnt care about justice, he is just having tantrums and trying to throw his weight around in order to make a big name for himself. Granted I know DA's hardly have time to really search for truth and all that great jazz (someone has got to be mean other than the usuals- LOL) I dont think DAs make personl visits to the folks homes there are looking to build a case against the way he did with Kendall. I believe last week or so he paid the Slaters a visit. If he already has the evidence he thinks is sufficient to prosecute Kendall why keep pressing the issue if what he has all points to her and will nail her anyway? All he has to do is create reasonable doubt as Jesse stated and he could with all the forsenics they have, just simply her fingerprints on the gun would do that.
North's attitude sucks basically and you can be a good DA and get it done without being so smug and arrogant. Jesse's boss is the mayor not Henry North. JMO
Although I do think he should stay on I think he and sLiza would possibly make good frenemies (lol)! But on the other hand there are already plenty of villians in PV, David, Adam, sLiza, Zach when he wants to be, now crazy Annie too! lmbo |
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Good post. Very objective and rationale. Although the DA may have evidence that Jesse provided that does not mean he gets to personally harass folks becuase of his personal insecurity issues about folks with money and fame. Thats abuse of power and he needs to be taken down a notch or six feet in this case. |
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| June 29, 2009 @ 8:04pm |
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Thats abuse of power and he needs to be taken down a notch or six feet in this case. |
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Jesse covering up a murder is also an abuse of power and he too needs to be taken down a notch and then some.
From the spoilers, Jesse believes Randi committed murder. Chances are she will be innocent and DA died at the hand of another... if that is indeed the case, how can Jesse, with a straight face, go after the real murderer?
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| June 29, 2009 @ 8:12pm | Mer ~
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Jesse covering up a murder is also an abuse of power and he too needs to be taken down a notch and then some. |
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ICAM. This is why when all this mess is over Jesse Hubbard needs to be fired. A.S.A.P!!!!!!!!!!! |
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