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| Spoilers Week of 10/12 | October 2, 2009 @ 11:44am | SON's AMC ALERTS: WEEK OF OCTOBER 12, 2009
Jesse puts Angie in a tight spot.
SOS's COMING SOON: Week of 10/12
Angie doesn’t like the changes she sees in Jesse.
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| SON Spoilers | October 9, 2009 @ 8:12am | Natalia is hurt when Jesse doesn’t make it to her graduation ceremony.
On Monday, October 12, Aidan presses Jesse to throw the book at him for Annie’s kidnapping so that no one becomes suspicious.
Kendall’s double is being rushed to the hospital. Jesse enlists Angie’s help in making sure nobody realizes that it isn’t really Kendall being stitched up in the hospital room. On Tuesday, October 13, Dr. Hubbard runs interference when David insists on examining Kendall.
Jesse defends his actions to Angie, asserting that he’s seeing that justice is served.
Aidan and Kendall put their plan into motion and end up in a stand-off with the cops. Natalia shoots at Aidan and Kendall when they make a run for it.
Jesse tells Zach he’s got a lead on Kendall’s whereabouts.
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| SOS Spoilers | October 9, 2009 @ 8:55am | Jesse enlist’s Angie’s help at the hospital to make sure no one knows it really isn’t Kendall who’s being stitched up. Angie scrambles to prevenT David from examining Kendall, but suspects something is going on.
Aidan tells Jesse to throw the book at him on Monday, October 12.
Natalia’s disappointed that Jesse didn’t make it to her graduation ceremony on Thursday, October 14
COMING SOON: Week of 10/19
Zach asks Jesse to let Kendall get away.
Jesse continues to help Kendall and Aidan.
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| OK ? | October 9, 2009 @ 9:50am | What exactly is Aiden's purpose here. He has been off screen for months now and they bring him back on to do this then get rid of him anyway...... Just saying doesn't make sense to me. Why not get Ryan to continue on since they all know what is goin on unless I missed something?????
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| October 9, 2009 @ 3:50pm | Okay I excused his arresting Angie. Because she deserved that. I excused him arresting Cassandra and then letting Frankie go after he beat the crap out of Fletcher. I know this may sound utterly stupid and ridiculous....
But I will NOT excuse him missing natalia's graduation! he missed three of his sons graduations. Big ones! HS, College and Med school. Why in the hell would you miss a big event in your childs life to help two pathetic fools!? Kendall was stupid enough to a confession to a murder she knew she didn't committ, whether she believed she did it or not and NOW she believes she didn't do it?
How does Zach know his dumb stick in the mud wife didn't really kill Stuart? How does anyone know for a fact that ANnie did it? Annie had no reason, rhyme or recourse to shoot adam. Picture it. Pine Valley The day of Stuarts murder....
We see Ryan answering his phone. We hear that he is talking to Annie. Annie says something to him, then we hear gunshot. Then the camera pans to Adam lying on the ground and if Im not mistaken, Annie is reading Emma a book. We later learned that Annie is the one who revived Adam after he stopped breathing during a heart attack or seizure.
Now why Annie would blame her own child is beyond me. My theory is that Annie, (coming from the recap of her being TORTURED by Aiden) is protecting Adam. I think Adam saw what was happening and tried to stop it, but once he saw his brother getting shot, he ran like a b*&tch instead of helping him. That's why he collapsed and had that episode.
Don't get me wrong. I COULD be wrong. But then again, my theory has GOT to be better than Charles, Chucky Doll Pratt's ridiculous gumption to make Emma Lavery the murderer!
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Last Edit: October 9, 2009 @ 3:52pm by MissAngeeP | |
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| October 10, 2009 @ 10:55pm |
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Okay I excused his arresting Angie. Because she deserved that. I excused him arresting Cassandra and then letting Frankie go after he beat the crap out of Fletcher. I know this may sound utterly stupid and ridiculous....
But I will NOT excuse him missing natalia's graduation! he missed three of his sons graduations. Big ones! HS, College and Med school. Why in the hell would you miss a big event in your childs life to help two pathetic fools!? Kendall was stupid enough to a confession to a murder she knew she didn't committ, whether she believed she did it or not and NOW she believes she didn't do it?
How does Zach know his dumb stick in the mud wife didn't really kill Stuart? How does anyone know for a fact that ANnie did it? Annie had no reason, rhyme or recourse to shoot adam. Picture it. Pine Valley The day of Stuarts murder....
We see Ryan answering his phone. We hear that he is talking to Annie. Annie says something to him, then we hear gunshot. Then the camera pans to Adam lying on the ground and if Im not mistaken, Annie is reading Emma a book. We later learned that Annie is the one who revived Adam after he stopped breathing during a heart attack or seizure.
Now why Annie would blame her own child is beyond me. My theory is that Annie, (coming from the recap of her being TORTURED by Aiden) is protecting Adam. I think Adam saw what was happening and tried to stop it, but once he saw his brother getting shot, he ran like a b*&tch instead of helping him. That's why he collapsed and had that episode.
Don't get me wrong. I COULD be wrong. But then again, my theory has GOT to be better than Charles, Chucky Doll Pratt's ridiculous gumption to make Emma Lavery the murderer!
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VB,For one,I have no problem with Jesse missing
Nat's graduation(well,I have some problem with it,as it gives Pratthole yet another reason to make Jesse look like a bad father )for the very fact that Jesse did miss out on
Frankie's special events. Now Nat knows how Frankie feels. re) And two,I have no problem with Emma being the
killer because the actress who plays her,will not be going
to LA. So,it will be a good way to bid the character/
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| October 10, 2009 @ 11:06pm | Emma being the killer is just a stupid move! Whether the young one is going to LA or not it is still wrong. It only shows that Pratt never had a killer in mind in the first place and he has no morals for a baby... A child. If he makes Emma out to be the killer then I repear it is a dumb move by him and an even stupider move for Frons to go along with it.
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| October 10, 2009 @ 11:09pm |
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But I will NOT excuse him missing natalia's graduation! he missed three of his sons graduations. Big ones! HS, College and Med school. Why in the hell would you miss a big event in your childs life to help two pathetic fools!? Kendall was stupid enough to a confession to a murder she knew she didn't committ, whether she believed she did it or not and NOW she believes she didn't do it?
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You went to her graduations in the beginning don't stop now. That only shows you never gave a fart about the girl. Shows you would rather kiss Zendall's behind rather than go up and cheer for your child. |
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| October 12, 2009 @ 10:47am |
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Okay I excused his arresting Angie. Because she deserved that. I excused him arresting Cassandra and then letting Frankie go after he beat the crap out of Fletcher. I know this may sound utterly stupid and ridiculous....
But I will NOT excuse him missing natalia's graduation! he missed three of his sons graduations. Big ones! HS, College and Med school. Why in the hell would you miss a big event in your childs life to help two pathetic fools!? Kendall was stupid enough to a confession to a murder she knew she didn't committ, whether she believed she did it or not and NOW she believes she didn't do it?
How does Zach know his dumb stick in the mud wife didn't really kill Stuart? How does anyone know for a fact that ANnie did it? Annie had no reason, rhyme or recourse to shoot adam. Picture it. Pine Valley The day of Stuarts murder....
We see Ryan answering his phone. We hear that he is talking to Annie. Annie says something to him, then we hear gunshot. Then the camera pans to Adam lying on the ground and if Im not mistaken, Annie is reading Emma a book. We later learned that Annie is the one who revived Adam after he stopped breathing during a heart attack or seizure.
Now why Annie would blame her own child is beyond me. My theory is that Annie, (coming from the recap of her being TORTURED by Aiden) is protecting Adam. I think Adam saw what was happening and tried to stop it, but once he saw his brother getting shot, he ran like a b*&tch instead of helping him. That's why he collapsed and had that episode.
Don't get me wrong. I COULD be wrong. But then again, my theory has GOT to be better than Charles, Chucky Doll Pratt's ridiculous gumption to make Emma Lavery the murderer!
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VB,For one,I have no problem with Jesse missing
Nat's graduation(well,I have some problem with it,as it gives Pratthole yet another reason to make Jesse look like a bad father )for the very fact that Jesse did miss out on
Frankie's special events. Now Nat knows how Frankie feels. re) And two,I have no problem with Emma being the
killer because the actress who plays her,will not be going
to LA. So,it will be a good way to bid the character/
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Middleone that is absurd and a ridiculous excuse for him not making Natalia's graduation! Missing his son's graduation couldn't be helped if we go with the original storyline, which Im doing. Middleone, it's also childish to say "Now Natalia knows how Frankie feels." It's like you're blaming HER for Jesse's F-ups! It's not her fault her father ditched out on his first family to sire and raise her. He was there for her, he raised her. He's here for Frankie NOW. He's got Natalia in his life NOW. He was all about protecting his FAMILY! Kendall and Zach ain't family last time I checked. Its absurd.
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| October 12, 2009 @ 10:49am | Pratt is using Emma as the killer to close this storyline. that's all it is. Im sick of Pratt and his inability to write period. He's sorry! And until ABC, AMC the producers and everyone else sees that AMC will NEVER move up in the ratings!
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| October 12, 2009 @ 2:00pm | I am sticking with my theory that Adam Killed his brother and doesnt know it. The way Scott just rushed home and grabbed a drink, he's just SICK over the thought. But WHY blame Emma or even use Emma for the cover????
I am SOOO ready for this S/L to end...Its just getting stupid by the minute!
Now to Mr.Jesse missing Nat's graduation..... ITS PRATT..WHAT DID YOU EXPECT!!! 
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| ITA | October 12, 2009 @ 3:07pm |
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I am sticking with my theory that Adam Killed his brother and doesnt know it. The way Scott just rushed home and grabbed a drink, he's just SICK over the thought. But WHY blame Emma or even use Emma for the cover????
I am SOOO ready for this S/L to end...Its just getting stupid by the minute!
Now to Mr.Jesse missing Nat's graduation..... ITS PRATT..WHAT DID YOU EXPECT!!! |
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Now putting the murder on that baby is low even for Chuck just saying. There is a better way to wrap this up. Why not just let it be on Adam since he is continuing with the show anyway...and just carry over the consequences (or lack thereof with Chuck)with them to LA? I don't know.... I am just not pleased because Stuart's s/l deserved a much better ending than this foolishness. But again it is Chuck who is plot driven and not character driven (ugggg)so nothing he does will ever make any sense.... we have seen what he has done to Jesse and Angie (and ever other women/couples in PV). Sighing because there is no way Frons/Julie can't find qualified, awesome writers to take this show to another level. There are plenty of creative people who can write great, soapy stories without totally destroying the essence of the characters. But it appears to me Chuck's goal is make everyone in Pine Valley out to be a liars, criminals, plain crazy, or dead as a door knob. As far as I can tell the only people being honest right now at least with one another are JR and Marissa and thats because he is sick.......
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| October 12, 2009 @ 8:43pm | VB,
I'm not trying to start an argument here,I was,merely,
saying that Nat,if she didn't know or cared how Frankie
felt before,she will now. For me,last year,when Nat,Angie
and Rebecca were at A/J's place and Nat was saying that
she wanted to be a cop,and Angie said that Jesse being a
cop,came at Frankie's expense. All Nat had to say to
that was,"well it(Jesse being gone from Frankie)wasn't a
total waste. I'm here." The point being that she wasn't
very sensitive to Frankie's loss of not having a father. Well
now,I bet she will be more sensitive to what Frankie lost
because she will now know the experience of not having
her father,Jesse,there for her,at a major moment in her
life. That's what I mean. It's easy to be indifferent
to someone else's suffering,when you don't have to exper-
ience the same thing. She had both parents,with her,
growing up. Frankie didn't. No,it's not her fault. In
my opinion it's Jesse's(I'm going by the rewrite,not the
original story because I can't just pretend that I didn't
see the 2nd family crap )and it's Rebecca's fault,for
not keeping her hands to herself,but the fact remains that
Nat had both parents there,for her,throughout her child-
hood(when it probably matters most to have your parents
there)Frankie has him NOW,when he,frankly,doesn't need him
as much. He even said so,last year,when he was dealing
with that Fletcher mess and Jesse wanted to help. Frankie
blew him off,because NOW is not when he needed him. He
needed him,then. You can say, it couldn't be helped and
maybe I'd buy that if he were LITERALLY on the run,but
since we know that he wasn't,it's a little too late for
Jesse to want to play father,NOW. Frankie's grown. And
now that Nat is also(she's 19 going on 20,isn't she?)she
should have to buck up and deal just as Frankie had to
and how everyone said he should when he first found out
about Nat,last year. If Frankie has to grow up,so should
Nat. No,it's not her fault,but it's wasn't Frankie's ei-
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| October 13, 2009 @ 8:38am |
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Nat was saying that she wanted to be a cop,and Angie said that Jesse being a cop,came at Frankie's expense. All Nat had to say to that was,"well it(Jesse being gone from Frankie)wasn't a total waste. I'm here." The point being that she wasn't very sensitive to Frankie's loss of not having a father. Well
now,I bet she will be more sensitive to what Frankie lost
because she will now know the experience of not having
her father,Jesse,there for her,at a major moment in her
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I had not thought of that conversation but it is a very good point and one that could easily be explored.
Instead of having this insta happy family, everyone gets along inspite of the mess Jesse made, the writers could have explored many avenues with how Jesse and his choices, some very selfish choices, affected those around him.
And this is a perfect time to explore Natalia getting a taste of what Frankie tasted for 20 long years... an absentee father.
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| October 13, 2009 @ 8:45am |
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She had both parents,with her, growing up. Frankie didn't... but the fact remains that
Nat had both parents there,for her,throughout her child-
hood(when it probably matters most to have your parents
there)Frankie has him NOW,when he,frankly,doesn't need him
as much. He even said so,last year,when he was dealing
with that Fletcher mess and Jesse wanted to help. Frankie
blew him off,because NOW is not when he needed him. He
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Another excellent point... Jesse was needed by Frankie much more as a child and especially as a male child than he needs him as an adult. Jesse was not there doing the formulative years and being here now, when Frankie is an adult, will never make up for that.
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You can say, it couldn't be helped and maybe I'd buy that if he were LITERALLY on the run,but since we know that he wasn't,it's a little too late for Jesse to want to play father,NOW |
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Again, I agree... Jesse proved that he could live with a woman and child, in one place for 20 years... he found a way to do it... there was nothing stopping him from finding a way to do it with the wife and child he claimed he loved more than his own life.
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| October 13, 2009 @ 9:46am |
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She had both parents,with her, growing up. Frankie didn't... but the fact remains that
Nat had both parents there,for her,throughout her child-
hood(when it probably matters most to have your parents
there)Frankie has him NOW,when he,frankly,doesn't need him
as much. He even said so,last year,when he was dealing
with that Fletcher mess and Jesse wanted to help. Frankie
blew him off,because NOW is not when he needed him. He
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Another excellent point... Jesse was needed by Frankie much more as a child and especially as a male child than he needs him as an adult. Jesse was not there doing the formulative years and being here now, when Frankie is an adult, will never make up for that.
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You can say, it couldn't be helped and maybe I'd buy that if he were LITERALLY on the run,but since we know that he wasn't,it's a little too late for Jesse to want to play father,NOW |
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Again, I agree... Jesse proved that he could live with a woman and child, in one place for 20 years... he found a way to do it... there was nothing stopping him from finding a way to do it with the wife and child he claimed he loved more than his own life. |
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Maybe Im taking this from a personal standpoint like I told you Mer, but Im sorry. That is NO excuse! Period! It's not fair to Natalia that she pays for the misdeeds of her father. She was an innocent child. Yeah she knew of his other family. So? That's got nothing to do with HER. It was her mother and father that made that choice. NOT HER. It was her father that chose to leave his other family behind. Not her. Yes he raised her. That still has nothing to do with her. Jesse could have told them the truth about Nat. He made these choices to do what he did, and he did it at the expense of BOTH kids and his wife.
I don't know. But that is the way I look at it.
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| October 13, 2009 @ 10:51am |
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Maybe Im taking this from a personal standpoint like I told you Mer, but Im sorry. That is NO excuse! Period! It's not fair to Natalia that she pays for the misdeeds of her father. |
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I'm not excusing what Jesse did back then and I wouldn't excuse Jesse if he simply forgot about her graduation.
However, this is a good chance to explore what middleone brought up... yes it is a complex situation but I agree that Natalia didn't seem all that sympathetic that Frankie had to grow up without his father... it is neither his nor Natalia fault... it is all on Jesse but the fact remains that Natalia came off as saying that Frankie not having his father was worth it because she is here.
Another point about that comment that always rubbed me the wrong way is this... it did not take 20 years for Natalia to get here... 20 seconds was long enough and all that was required... it did not required Frankie to go without his dad for Natalia to come into existence... in other words, it didn't take 20 years to produce Natalia and she well knows that. Just as Jesse came creeping back into their lives 20 years later, he could have done it 20 years sooner... Natalia would still be here but Frankie wouldn't have grown up without his father in his life.
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She was an innocent child. Yeah she knew of his other family. So? That's got nothing to do with HER. It was her mother and father that made that choice. NOT HER. It was her father that chose to leave his other family behind. Not her. Yes he raised her. That still has nothing to do with her. Jesse could have told them the truth about Nat. He made these choices to do what he did, and he did it at the expense of BOTH kids and his wife |
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I agree with all this... and this is a perfect example of how Jesse's choices adversely affected those around him.
Frankie paid a price for Jesse's actions... and so did Natalia... the difference is that Frankie paid a higher price in that he was without his father for 20 years and that does play into it for me in this situation.
Sure, she may be disappointed that Jesse misses her graduation but if he has been there for her all her life and was there for all those other high moments in her life, it should not be so devastating if he misses this one if he has a good reason for not being there.
Now, if Jesse was with Natalia but was indeed an absentee father... if it is status quo for him to missed those high moments in her life, then that is a different story...
If he was there physically but not emotionally then again that is a different story...
OK, I said all that to say this... this situation is a realistic and naturally reached point at which they could explore that dynamic... the fact that Frankie didn't have his dad for most of his growing up... he didn't have his dad in the audience at those special occasions... but Natalia did and now she will see what Frankie felt like everytime during those 20 years when he looked out into the audience and saw an empty seat next to his mother where his father should have been.
Natalia could even acknowledge to Frankie that she didn't sympathize with his plight until she got a small taste of it herself...
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| October 13, 2009 @ 1:03pm | Thank you,Meredith! My point exactly! tu)
But don't misunderstand. I still think this is just
another HEINOUS attempt on Pratt's part to demean and
defame the character or Jesse. I think he,Pratt,resents that
both DW/DM came back with such fan fare and such a her-
alded legacy. That's why he's going out of his way to de-
stroy it. I stand by my assessment that he's RACIST!
Yes,he has the right,I suppose,to have favorite characters,
but he is just going overboard in his attemtp to make Jesse
"gray". Pratt's DISGUSTING! |
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| October 13, 2009 @ 4:54pm |
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OK, I said all that to say this... this situation is a realistic and naturally reached point at which they could explore that dynamic... the fact that Frankie didn't have his dad for most of his growing up... he didn't have his dad in the audience at those special occasions... but Natalia did and now she will see what Frankie felt like everytime during those 20 years when he looked out into the audience and saw an empty seat next to his mother where his father should have been.
Natalia could even acknowledge to Frankie that she didn't sympathize with his plight until she got a small taste of it herself... |
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I agree and this would be the perfect time (if Pratt had an ounce of sense) to explore that aspect of the dynamic between Natalia and Frankie, because we haven't seen a real brother/sister bond develop with them either. It also gives reason to go ahead and have Angie & Jesse deal with the issues that are coming up now that are effecting their relationship; since Chuck is taking it there (better late than never). Pratt wrote in Jesse's mental breakdown and this would the perfect time since Angie is addressing it to deal with everything that is causing her to look into the man Jesse is now. ( SMH- because B&E would have done this so much better--uggg minus the other family junk). They both acknowledged they were different people and she was crazy to think they could cut and paste it all together. Now that she "sees" this and the patterns he has developed, they finally have to deal with the worse part and IF it can be done properly (in which I am not getting my hopes up) maybe AnJ can be the new Dr. Joe & Ruth and stay together. At some point I would think writers of every show would know that @ least one couple has to survive the madness especially with the legacay they have/had (depending on your point of view at the moment). But marriage is not without its problems so in that manner they need to have issues (more realistic ones anyway) and be able to work through them.
I guess ole William was right the course of true love never did run smooth!
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| October 16, 2009 @ 12:18pm |
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VB,
I'm not trying to start an argument here,I was,merely,
saying that Nat,if she didn't know or cared how Frankie
felt before,she will now. For me,last year,when Nat,Angie
and Rebecca were at A/J's place and Nat was saying that
she wanted to be a cop,and Angie said that Jesse being a
cop,came at Frankie's expense. All Nat had to say to
that was,"well it(Jesse being gone from Frankie)wasn't a
total waste. I'm here." The point being that she wasn't
very sensitive to Frankie's loss of not having a father. Well
now,I bet she will be more sensitive to what Frankie lost
because she will now know the experience of not having
her father,Jesse,there for her,at a major moment in her
life. That's what I mean. It's easy to be indifferent
to someone else's suffering,when you don't have to exper-
ience the same thing. She had both parents,with her,
growing up. Frankie didn't. No,it's not her fault. In
my opinion it's Jesse's(I'm going by the rewrite,not the
original story because I can't just pretend that I didn't
see the 2nd family crap )and it's Rebecca's fault,for
not keeping her hands to herself,but the fact remains that
Nat had both parents there,for her,throughout her child-
hood(when it probably matters most to have your parents
there)Frankie has him NOW,when he,frankly,doesn't need him
as much. He even said so,last year,when he was dealing
with that Fletcher mess and Jesse wanted to help. Frankie
blew him off,because NOW is not when he needed him. He
needed him,then. You can say, it couldn't be helped and
maybe I'd buy that if he were LITERALLY on the run,but
since we know that he wasn't,it's a little too late for
Jesse to want to play father,NOW. Frankie's grown. And
now that Nat is also(she's 19 going on 20,isn't she?)she
should have to buck up and deal just as Frankie had to
and how everyone said he should when he first found out
about Nat,last year. If Frankie has to grow up,so should
Nat. No,it's not her fault,but it's wasn't Frankie's ei-
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I apologize for going off on you. I took this personally because I know how Natalia felt. She was hurt. That was the issue with me. Okay Jesse didn't make it to Frankie's but he's here now. He hurt Natalia badly by not even bothering to acknowledge the fact that she got her rookie badge. And for him to do that was just wrong. You would think that since he DID miss Frankie's Med school graduation, he'd want to be there for Natalia's academy graduation.
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