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Started April 3, 2009 @ 2:58am by Guest
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| April 3, 2009 @ 5:46pm |
Quote (middleone)
ITA Meredith,
This is why I am no longer feeling
either Jesse or Angie. I'm not trying
to play into Pratt's dirty little hands,
but I can't help the fact that,because
of Pratt's writing,which is both sexist
and racist,IMO,Jesse as well as the o-
ther men on the show,have been turned
into cavemen or Archie Bunker wannabes.
And it's truly disgusting. Even though
Angie isn't being written as MINDLESS
as Krystal,she's still acting like a
woman who's OVERLY enamored of her hus-
band,to the point of acting as if his
mere presence in her life is some great
gift and he doesn't have to do anything
except EXIST,for her to be happy. No
work on his part,to make the marriage
work and happy is necessary. He just
has to be his normal,wonderful self.
Which is truly DISGUSTING and SEXIST
because it puts the responsibility of
making the marriage work,solely on the
woman's shoulders,in this case Angie's
and Jesse is free of any responsibility
whatsoever. Last time I checked,marr-
iage was a partnership. But not in
Pratt's twisted,evil world. This is
why I'm not feeling A/J anymore. They
are insulting and disheartening . Angie
should've kicked
Jesse to the curb and made him work
his way back into her heart. He never
did and I haven't been a fan since.
I know it's Pratt's doing,but,hey,it's
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Okay I guess I gotta put you back on my friendship list! We finally agree on something!
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jangiefan
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| April 3, 2009 @ 5:53pm |
Quote (middleone)
Even though
Angie isn't being written as MINDLESS
as Krystal,she's still acting like a
woman who's OVERLY enamored of her hus-
band,to the point of acting as if his
mere presence in her life is some great
gift and he doesn't have to do anything
except EXIST,for her to be happy. No
work on his part,to make the marriage
work and happy is necessary. He just
has to be his normal,wonderful self.
Which is truly DISGUSTING and SEXIST
because it puts the responsibility of
making the marriage work,solely on the
woman's shoulders,in this case Angie's
and Jesse is free of any responsibility
whatsoever. Angie
should've kicked Jesse to the curb and made him work
his way back into her heart. He never
did
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DAMN!!!!!!!
Middleone ~ You. Broke. It. Down. I hate that Pratt has made you feel this way but I understand exactly why you do. We haven't SEEN any making up that Jesse's done. And please don't give that BS that its implied. I watch soaps to SEE what happens. If I wanted to use my imagination , Id go read a book.
Im rambling. Middleone, my point is.... I get your point. tu) |
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| April 3, 2009 @ 5:56pm |
Quote (jangiefan)
Quote (middleone)
Even though
Angie isn't being written as MINDLESS
as Krystal,she's still acting like a
woman who's OVERLY enamored of her hus-
band,to the point of acting as if his
mere presence in her life is some great
gift and he doesn't have to do anything
except EXIST,for her to be happy. No
work on his part,to make the marriage
work and happy is necessary. He just
has to be his normal,wonderful self.
Which is truly DISGUSTING and SEXIST
because it puts the responsibility of
making the marriage work,solely on the
woman's shoulders,in this case Angie's
and Jesse is free of any responsibility
whatsoever. Angie
should've kicked Jesse to the curb and made him work
his way back into her heart. He never
did
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DAMN!!!!!!!
Middleone ~ You. Broke. It. Down. I hate that Pratt has made you feel this way but I understand exactly why you do. We haven't SEEN any making up that Jesse's done. And please don't give that mess that by her saying this & him saying that. I watch soaps to SEE what happens. If I wanted to imagine it, Id go read a book.
Im rambling. Middleone, my point is.... I get your point. tu) |
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ITA!!! I want to SEE the apology! I want to HEAR IT said! I want to SEE and HEAR the PLEASE FORGIVE ME! I want to SEE THE FORGIVENESS! If I wanted to imagine implications I'd read a dayum book!
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jangiefan
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| April 3, 2009 @ 5:58pm | | Im not saying he has to ask for her forgiveness every second of every day.....but I would like to hear it ONCE. |
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| April 3, 2009 @ 6:01pm |
Quote (jangiefan)
Im not saying he has to ask for her forgiveness every second of every day.....but I would like to hear it ONCE. |
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BS!!!! I want to hear it every day!!! For every single day of the twenty years you spent without your real family! For every single day of the twenty years I had to raise your son on my own!!!
Okay Im kidding! Just needed to get that out there! Toodles!
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michele
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| April 3, 2009 @ 6:16pm |
Quote (middleone)
ITA Meredith,
This is why I am no longer feeling
either Jesse or Angie. I'm not trying
to play into Pratt's dirty little hands,
but I can't help the fact that,because
of Pratt's writing,which is both sexist
and racist,IMO,Jesse as well as the o-
ther men on the show,have been turned
into cavemen or Archie Bunker wannabes.
And it's truly disgusting. Even though
Angie isn't being written as MINDLESS
as Krystal,she's still acting like a
woman who's OVERLY enamored of her hus-
band,to the point of acting as if his
mere presence in her life is some great
gift and he doesn't have to do anything
except EXIST,for her to be happy. No
work on his part,to make the marriage
work and happy is necessary. He just
has to be his normal,wonderful self.
Which is truly DISGUSTING and SEXIST
because it puts the responsibility of
making the marriage work,solely on the
woman's shoulders,in this case Angie's
and Jesse is free of any responsibility
whatsoever. Last time I checked,marr-
iage was a partnership. But not in
Pratt's twisted,evil world. This is
why I'm not feeling A/J anymore. They
are insulting and disheartening . Angie
should've kicked
Jesse to the curb and made him work
his way back into her heart. He never
did and I haven't been a fan since.
I know it's Pratt's doing,but,hey,it's
how I feel. |
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ITA middleone |
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Meredith
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| April 3, 2009 @ 10:13pm |
Quote (dandd08)
Mere,
Given what was shown, I feel he has done enough. Think about for example his reaction and what he said to Angie after he found out she invited R&N to move in. |
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He was happy/thankful that Angie invited his mistress and child into her home... he told her she was an amazing woman... he never once told her he loved her let alone loved her even more in that conversation and if ever there was a time for him to express in words that he loved her even more, that was the time...
And we can not forget... on the very day Angie did this, what does he do? Go down memory lane with his mistress about how they raised dear precious Natalia and he never once stopped to think about how this would make Angie feel... him sitting at another woman's table, making up songs to get another child to eat veggies, while she and her son stared at an empty chair and her son refused to eat his veggies until GOD gave him his daddy back... he didn't even get up and go after her when he saw she was clearly upset... he didn't even apologize for his and his mistress' insensitivity which drove Angie from her own home, the very home she had opened up to his other family... he did all that but I love you even more, not even an I love love you passed his lips that day, the day Angie made one the biggest sacrifices that could be made in a situation HE created.
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I guess I'm not getting what more you want from him.
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A clear expression from him that he has fallen more and more in love with her... an expression as clear as Angie's.
Quote (dandd08)
I also believe we're hearing Angie express that to Jesse as part of Pratt's attempt to Repair the Damage he did to the character. |
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That could be the case but it will help his character a whole lot better if it wasn't just Angie saying what a great guy he is thus her falling more and more in love with him... it would go a long way to show Jesse verbally expressing that he is falling more and more in love with her considering the stunts he pulled. He may regret his actions but he hasn't told me, as Angie has, that since the tornado, that his love for her has grown deeper.
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Brittani
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| Jangie | April 3, 2009 @ 10:18pm |
Quote (jangiefan)
Quote (middleone)
Even though
Angie isn't being written as MINDLESS
as Krystal,she's still acting like a
woman who's OVERLY enamored of her hus-
band,to the point of acting as if his
mere presence in her life is some great
gift and he doesn't have to do anything
except EXIST,for her to be happy. No
work on his part,to make the marriage
work and happy is necessary. He just
has to be his normal,wonderful self.
Which is truly DISGUSTING and SEXIST
because it puts the responsibility of
making the marriage work,solely on the
woman's shoulders,in this case Angie's
and Jesse is free of any responsibility
whatsoever. Angie
should've kicked Jesse to the curb and made him work
his way back into her heart. He never
did
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DAMN!!!!!!!
Middleone ~ You. Broke. It. Down. I hate that Pratt has made you feel this way but I understand exactly why you do. We haven't SEEN any making up that Jesse's done. And please don't give that BS that its implied. I watch soaps to [b]SEE what happens. If I wanted to use my imagination , Id go read a book.[/b]Im rambling. Middleone, my point is.... I get your point. tu) |
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LMBO.....but ICAM.....I need to see him actually apologize for his lies
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michele
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| April 3, 2009 @ 10:20pm | | WHY ISNT THE PC OPEN FOR THE WEEKEND ? |
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| April 3, 2009 @ 10:27pm |
Quote (Meredith)
Quote (dandd08)
Mere,
Given what was shown, I feel he has done enough. Think about for example his reaction and what he said to Angie after he found out she invited R&N to move in. |
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He was happy/thankful that Angie invited his mistress and child into her home... he told her she was an amazing woman... he never once told her he loved her let alone loved her even more in that conversation and if ever there was a time for him to express in words that he loved her even more, that was the time...
And we can not forget... on the very day Angie did this, what does he do? Go down memory lane with his mistress about how they raised dear precious Natalia and he never once stopped to think about how this would make Angie feel... him sitting at another woman's table, making up songs to get another child to eat veggies, while she and her son stared at an empty chair and her son refused to eat his veggies until GOD gave him his daddy back... he didn't even get up and go after her when he saw she was clearly upset... he didn't even apologize for his and his mistress' insensitivity which drove Angie from her own home, the very home she had opened up to his other family... he did all that but I love you even more, not even an I love love you passed his lips that day, the day Angie made one the biggest sacrifices that could be made in a situation HE created.
Quote (dandd08)
I guess I'm not getting what more you want from him.
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A clear expression from him that he has fallen more and more in love with her... an expression as clear as Angie's.
Quote (dandd08)
I also believe we're hearing Angie express that to Jesse as part of Pratt's attempt to Repair the Damage he did to the character. |
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That could be the case but it will help his character a whole lot better if it wasn't just Angie saying what a great guy he is thus her falling more and more in love with him... it would go a long way to show Jesse verbally expressing that he is falling more and more in love with her considering the stunts he pulled. He may regret his actions but he hasn't told me, as Angie has, that since the tornado, that his love for her has grown deeper. |
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Oh my baby girl has grown up so much! Mama's so proud of you!
You done good MER! BROKE IT DOWN LIKE ROCKY DID THAT RUSSIAN!!!
BRILLIANT!!
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Meredith
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| And just to make myself clear... | April 3, 2009 @ 10:34pm | I still love Jesse... I'm just holding him accountable... something Angie never did.
I rewatched when she said how his mistress helped her to see the light. Jesse said I lied to you and Angie immediately responded with only to protect me, us... she was giving him excuses for lying!!! Not only did she not hold accountable but she excused him lies!!!!
But anyway, I still love them but at times it's hard to hold my peace about Jesse and his lies.
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dandd08
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| April 3, 2009 @ 11:04pm |
Quote (Meredith)
Quote (dandd08)
Mere,
Given what was shown, I feel he has done enough. Think about for example his reaction and what he said to Angie after he found out she invited R&N to move in. |
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He was happy/thankful that Angie invited his mistress and child into her home... he told her she was an amazing woman... he never once told her he loved her let alone loved her even more in that conversation and if ever there was a time for him to express in words that he loved her even more, that was the time...
And we can not forget... on the very day Angie did this, what does he do? Go down memory lane with his mistress about how they raised dear precious Natalia and he never once stopped to think about how this would make Angie feel... him sitting at another woman's table, making up songs to get another child to eat veggies, while she and her son stared at an empty chair and her son refused to eat his veggies until GOD gave him his daddy back... he didn't even get up and go after her when he saw she was clearly upset... he didn't even apologize for his and his mistress' insensitivity which drove Angie from her own home, the very home she had opened up to his other family... he did all that but I love you even more, not even an I love love you passed his lips that day, the day Angie made one the biggest sacrifices that could be made in a situation HE created.
Quote (dandd08)
I guess I'm not getting what more you want from him.
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A clear expression from him that he has fallen more and more in love with her... an expression as clear as Angie's.
Quote (dandd08)
I also believe we're hearing Angie express that to Jesse as part of Pratt's attempt to Repair the Damage he did to the character. |
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That could be the case but it will help his character a whole lot better if it wasn't just Angie saying what a great guy he is thus her falling more and more in love with him... it would go a long way to show Jesse verbally expressing that he is falling more and more in love with her considering the stunts he pulled. He may regret his actions but he hasn't told me, as Angie has, that since the tornado, that his love for her has grown deeper. |
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Mere,
All I can say is, with Pratt's writing we probably will Never get the clear expression you want. I still don't have a problem with it and it's not needed.
Pratt made us wait a day, but Jesse did go after her.
That may be true, but I just don't believe he has to do that. Angie knows he Loves her and she knows where his Heart is.
"You are my profound joy, my greatest gift"
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"My whole life changed when I met you"
"You gave me my life back"
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"Before we met I was lost" |
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| April 3, 2009 @ 11:15pm |
Quote (Meredith)
I still love Jesse... I'm just holding him accountable... something Angie never did.
I rewatched when she said how his mistress helped her to see the light. Jesse said I lied to you and Angie immediately responded with only to protect me, us... she was giving him excuses for lying!!! Not only did she not hold accountable but she excused him lies!!!!
But anyway, I still love them but at times it's hard to hold my peace about Jesse and his lies. |
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Mere,
Angie has clearly gotten past it and it's time to move on and not dwell on it. Although you may not agree with the way she handled everything, be proud of the Mature way in which she did.
"You are my profound joy, my greatest gift"
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"My whole life changed when I met you"
"You gave me my life back"
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"Before we met I was lost" |
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Meredith
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| April 3, 2009 @ 11:18pm |
Quote (middleone)
Even though
Angie isn't being written as MINDLESS
as Krystal,she's still acting like a
woman who's OVERLY enamored of her hus-
band,to the point of acting as if his
mere presence in her life is some great
gift and he doesn't have to do anything
except EXIST,for her to be happy. No
work on his part,to make the marriage
work and happy is necessary. |
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And this is how the story has played out... as if Angie is so grateful that she has Jesse back that she excuses his lies and praises the woman who knowingly slept with her husband for 20 years while she and her child mourned him.
Neither one of them was held accountable for their actions, only praised and excused for them.
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Meredith
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| April 3, 2009 @ 11:22pm |
Quote (dandd08)
Angie has clearly gotten past it and it's time to move on and not dwell on it. Although you may not agree with the way she handled everything, be proud of the Mature way in which she did. |
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I am proud that she carried herself in a respectful manner... I am not proud that she excused Jesse's lies...
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Meredith
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| April 3, 2009 @ 11:28pm |
Quote (dandd08)
Mere,
All I can say is, with Pratt's writing we probably will Never get the clear expression you want. I still don't have a problem with it and it's not needed. |
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We probably won't and I don't need it to remain a fan of the couple but when I see and hear things like yesterday (I love you more and more) I won't bite my tongue to point out where Jesse is severely lacking.
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Pratt made us wait a day, but Jesse did go after her |
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Only after he put his mistress to bed... the very first words out of his mouth to her and information she did not solicit. No baby I'm so sorry for being insensitive to your feelings after you opened your home to the woman I spent 20 years with while you mourned me... but instead Rebecca finally fell asleep
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That may be true, but I just don't believe he has to do that. Angie knows he Loves her and she knows where his Heart is. |
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He doesn't have to do it... my point is he should WANT to do it... sometimes when I am thinking about the good things my husbands does for me... sometimes they are the smallest of things but they touch me... when I think about those things, a lot of times I will call him for no other reason than to tell him I love him and appreciate that he takes good care of me... I don't have to do that... I want to do that.
That is what I wish Jesse had taken time to do because Angie was mighty dayum good to him, mighty good!!!
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| April 3, 2009 @ 11:38pm | Dandd Im sure SOME of us get what you are saying. I DON"T! I don't want implications! You're married right? do you want your husband's love to be IMPLIED or STATED? That's what we want to see. I don't want Jesse's love IMPLIED! I want it STATED! I don't wanna know that his love is implicated in a story! I want to hear it. (OOH I LOVE THIS SONG IM LISTENING TO! GOOD JESUS THIS MAN CAN SING!)
I want to hear Jesse ask for forgiveness: Can you ever forgive me? I want to hear Angie: yes I do! I want THAT to be said after she kicks his ass to the curb for putting her thru this!
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| April 4, 2009 @ 4:36am |
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Dandd Im sure SOME of us get what you are saying. I DON"T! I don't want implications! You're married right? do you want your husband's love to be IMPLIED or STATED? That's what we want to see. I don't want Jesse's love IMPLIED! I want it STATED! I don't wanna know that his love is implicated in a story! I want to hear it. (OOH I LOVE THIS SONG IM LISTENING TO! GOOD JESUS THIS MAN CAN SING!)
I want to hear Jesse ask for forgiveness: Can you ever forgive me? I want to hear Angie: yes I do! I want THAT to be said after she kicks his ass to the curb for putting her thru this!
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VB,
It's better to Show than to Tell. If you need to constantly hear it, that's Insecurity.
"You are my profound joy, my greatest gift"
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"My whole life changed when I met you"
"You gave me my life back"
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"Before we met I was lost" |
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dandd08
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| April 4, 2009 @ 4:47am |
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He doesn't have to do it... my point is he should WANT to do it... sometimes when I am thinking about the good things my husbands does for me... sometimes they are the smallest of things but they touch me... when I think about those things, a lot of times I will call him for no other reason than to tell him I love him and appreciate that he takes good care of me... I don't have to do that... I want to do that.
That is what I wish Jesse had taken time to do because Angie was mighty dayum good to him, mighty good!!! |
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Mere,
That's why I maintain that the story was Never about Angie & Jesse .
We were Never going to get the clear expression scene you talk about.
The Focus was on how hurt RandN were. As I've said before, in Pratt's eyes, Angie and Jesse were Props.
Fortunately, AnJ's fans were heard Loud and Clear.
"You are my profound joy, my greatest gift"
~---~
"My whole life changed when I met you"
"You gave me my life back"
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"Before we met I was lost" |
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